But for you Bucket- I want it all in one piece- No cracks- just one nice round globe- sitting in my 3rd fridge out in the garage! 2nd Shelf- back corner..... never mind started to daydream-
Honey, where are my keys- I need to drive to North Carolina!
P.S. Did I miss EC's response to my foursome challenge- or is he trembling behind your couch- EC where are you!
You freakin' numbnutz have ruint my thread! Mike I want a spot in FRIDGE NUMBER 1!!!! Right beside Nel Carter.
Mike . . . . What role does the Right Arm play in LEFT ARM SWINGING?
Focus!
P.S. Y'all don't want none of EC . . . he is a golf assassin.
6bmike, Thank you for the correction. He did not say that the right arm became the center of the swing. He did say that the right arm is ALWAYS driving (something I haven't done). My jumbled memory from five hours on Saturday. It will take some time before my head clears and I view the lesson DVD.
Please, Daryl. It was NOT a correction. I was curiuos about the lesson. Ben is a big pull, float loaded, snap releasing kinda of guy. Hard to see him without a club in his left hand rolling and swiveling it.
The wonderful thing about a right arm that straightens THROUGH a ball is the power it produces even when the arm is more or less passive.
Ben will fry your brain but it heals nicely- hahaha. The Golfing Machine is like that.
6bmike, Thank you for the correction. He did not say that the right arm became the center of the swing. He did say that the right arm is ALWAYS driving (something I haven't done). My jumbled memory from five hours on Saturday. It will take some time before my head clears and I view the lesson DVD.
Please share more of the lesson experience with us when the head clears
Alright Lard Bucket! You want the truth YOU can't handle the truth!
[quote=12 piece bucket]What role or function does the Right Arm play in Swinging?
We are loading the Left Wrist (No. 2) . . . but the Right Arm stays Passive no? What kind of Right Arm thoughts should the Swinger have?
Are we just using the Law of the Triangle and just pulling our PASSIVE Triangle DOWNPLANE?[/QUOTE]
Here's where to start. You've got to differentiate what the ideal mechanical structure should be as opposed to what you are concentrating on in the swing. The difference between what you are trying to do when you are playing for instance and what you are feeling, thinking when you are working on your swing or in this particular instance the right arm if say your structure isn't very good. They are two completely different things.
So let's assume that you are happy with the structure of your power package and everything else in your movement- then what are you thinking about- i.e. trying to do- section 5-0 third and 4th paragraphs (both in the 6th and 7th editions) You are taking your hands up and down the plane- THAT's your focus- that's the Golfing Machine- don't lose sight of it.
What role or function does the Right Arm play in Swinging?
Extensor action via right triceps (That's either happening or something you would work on to add to your movement to make it automatic and part of the movement) not something you are thinking about doing for the rest of your golfing life.
We are loading the Left Wrist (No. 2)
Don't like the way you stated this- "WE" or "I" implies that you are thinking about it - making it happen. No. The left wrist is loading because you are swinging- it's part of the movement. But #3 is being loaded also, maybe #4 also- so #2 is not the only thing going on - there is alot of stuff going on.
. . . but the Right Arm stays Passive no? Passive is a relative term in relation to Active thrusting in regards to hitting. Due to extensor action and if you want A) the proper structure to the powerpackage then you have anything but a passive right arm and B) that #3 pressure point, right forearm and the right upper arm - all support the load. That's not passive - if something is coming at you and you are "directly in line and opposed to that motion" in order to stop it. You can't load it- stop it and be passive. Active and Passive really applies more directly to the pressure points and if they are primarily aiming or thrusting- it's somewhat of a separate issue in regards to the Right Arm and really a separate issue in regards to Hitting also- as say for example the #4 pressure point could be active in both swinging and hitting- also may be active in the start down and then passive after that- lot's of options.
What kind of Right Arm thoughts should the Swinger have?
See 5-0. And my post above. NONE. Unless you are working on something to improve the structure- motion.
Are we just using the Law of the Triangle
No you are not using the Law of the Triangle- It may apply or be happening but you don't use the Law of the Triangle.
....and just pulling our PASSIVE Triangle DOWNPLANE?
As Compda pointed out- If you've got a passive triangle- then head over to the kiddy park - because that won't cut it in the big boys park.
Here again you have to differentiate what's happening and what you are trying to do.
In the what's happening category you could certainly say that you are pulling the Solid triangle structure Down plane- although specifically the only part of the Triangle that's on plane from the top to impact are the Hands the whole way, the right shoulder at the top and through startdown.
However, on the what am I thinking about category or what am I trying to do category- NO- you are not trying to pull the Triangle Downplane. You've got the same triangle in the baseball batter's swing- would you think when you're hitting the baseball that you are trying to pull the triangle to the hit the ball. It's 5-0, the hands and their clubhead lag - that's what you are trying to move and that's where your focus should be.
Now, I'm going to go back just to harassing you!
P.S. I just crossed the CA/AZ border headed your way!
Bagger- I'd really like to see a skeleton head with ice on it- in the emoticon list- IS THAT TOO MUCH TOO ASK FOR!!!!!!
What role or function does the Right Arm play in Swinging?
We are loading the Left Wrist (No. 2) . . . but the Right Arm stays Passive no? What kind of Right Arm thoughts should the Swinger have?
Are we just using the Law of the Triangle and just pulling our PASSIVE Triangle DOWNPLANE?[/QUOTE]
Here's where to start. You've got to differentiate what the ideal mechanical structure should be as opposed to what you are concentrating on in the swing. The difference between what you are trying to do when you are playing for instance and what you are feeling, thinking when you are working on your swing or in this particular instance the right arm if say your structure isn't very good. They are two completely different things.
So let's assume that you are happy with the structure of your power package and everything else in your movement- then what are you thinking about- i.e. trying to do- section 5-0 third and 4th paragraphs (both in the 6th and 7th editions) You are taking your hands up and down the plane- THAT's your focus- that's the Golfing Machine- don't lose sight of it.
What role or function does the Right Arm play in Swinging?
Extensor action via right triceps (That's either happening or something you would work on to add to your movement to make it automatic and part of the movement) not something you are thinking about doing for the rest of your golfing life.
We are loading the Left Wrist (No. 2)
Don't like the way you stated this- "WE" or "I" implies that you are thinking about it - making it happen. No. The left wrist is loading because you are swinging- it's part of the movement. But #3 is being loaded also, maybe #4 also- so #2 is not the only thing going on - there is alot of stuff going on.
. . . but the Right Arm stays Passive no? Passive is a relative term in relation to Active thrusting in regards to hitting. Due to extensor action and if you want A) the proper structure to the powerpackage then you have anything but a passive right arm and B) that #3 pressure point, right forearm and the right upper arm - all support the load. That's not passive - if something is coming at you and you are "directly in line and opposed to that motion" in order to stop it. You can't load it- stop it and be passive. Active and Passive really applies more directly to the pressure points and if they are primarily aiming or thrusting- it's somewhat of a separate issue in regards to the Right Arm.
What kind of Right Arm thoughts should the Swinger have?
See 5-0. And my post above. NONE. Unless you are working on something to improve the structure- motion.
Are we just using the Law of the Triangle
No you are not using the Law of the Triangle- It may apply or be happening but you don't use the Law of the Triangle.
....and just pulling our PASSIVE Triangle DOWNPLANE?
As Compda pointed out- If you've got a passive triangle- then head over to the kiddy park - because that won't cut it in the big boys park.
Here again you have to differentiate what's happening and what you are trying to do.
In the what's happening category you could certainly say that you are pulling the Solid triangle structure Down plane- although specifically the only part of the Triangle that's on plane from the top to impact are the Hands the whole way, the right shoulder at the top and through startdown.
However, on the what am I thinking about category or what am I trying to do category- NO- you are not trying to pull the Triangle Downplane. You've got the same triangle in the baseball batter's swing- would you think when you're hitting the baseball that you are trying to pull the triangle to the hit the ball. It's 5-0, the hands and their clubhead lag - that's what you are trying to move and that's where your focus should be.
Now, I'm going to go back just to harassing you!
P.S. I just crossed the CA/AZ border headed your way!
Bagger- I'd really like to see a skeleton head with ice on it- in the emoticon list- IS THAT TOO MUCH TOO ASK FOR!!!!!!
Thank you O'Master of the Rolling Human Head! Fantastic Post! This is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for rather than a rehashed debate on the merits or lack there of of Right Arm Swinging.
Boy you can peddle that Green Machine pretty fast!!! See you in NC you're gettin' close when you smell pig smokin'.
Thank you O'Master of the Rolling Human Head! Fantastic Post! This is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for rather than a rehashed debate on the merits or lack there of of Right Arm Swinging.
Boy you can peddle that Green Machine pretty fast!!! See you in NC you're gettin' close when you smell pig smokin'.
Thanks BBQ Man!
Now, Bagger I'm not letting you off- do I get the frosty skeleton head or not!
Difference is Mike O would ACTUALLY schmeer butter all over you . . .
If anyone would schmeer butter - that would be YOU bucket. What goes with a nice barbeque- buttered corn and butter rolls! Don't try to toss that one on me!
I'm taking Bagger's post seriously- I really believe he's going to try to add one more emoticon to the list- I'll be on the edge of my seat for the next month!
And Bucket- you ARE thread jacking your own thread- DG's out there thinking "what the hell!"-
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