[grantc79]

I disagree because there is no need to ingrain or force that feeling, motion, geometry or action. Believe me when I say that it is the automatic outcome of the properly aligned and executed pivot.

If your Right Shoulder and Hips are aligned properly, then your Right Shoulder will move Downplane, directly "Toward the BALL" like a bullet.

I know because I've experimented with different pivots thousands of times and I keep finding new ways to pivot. I experiment with different component variations daily .

As I see it, you appear to always rotate your shoulders to the right in an "around" fashion with your Left Shoulder moving around to the Right.

Do this experiment:

Set-up without a club. Move your right foot back 3-6" (more if you need) and center yourself for balance. Keep your head stationary and your Spine "On the Ball" and think of moving your arms like a "Windmill". Move your arms separately or together or both. Let your arms guide your shoulders and let your shoulders guide your hips and let your Hips "Bend" your knees. That is a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn. The one that you're doing is disruptively too Flat.

Notice now, that your Left Shoulder moved down and not around. The Left Shoulder has moved only a few inches. Also, you probably can't make more than a 3/4 backstroke (Flexibility).

Now, with this Hip and shoulder alignment, your right shoulder will move On Plane directly toward the Ball. Go as fast as you want during the downstroke.

Notice how freely that your right side opens up during the backstroke and how easy (no strain) it is to perform with the right hip out of the way and your hands taking a direct path to the top of the stroke.

Try it. If it works for you, and you like it, I'll tell you how to do it without moving your right foot backwards.

I really do appreciate what you are telling me, but this is near impossible to follow.

If I am understanding you correctly what you are saying is:

1: My back swing is too flat. I am on the elbow plane going back and my over the top move is an attempt to get up to the TSP.

2: I need to focus on getting my shoulders to move vertically in both directions.

3: I'm too flat with the shoulders going back.

4: I'm over the top because I'm attempting to not be too flat going forwards.


Where you are completely losing me is here:

Keep your head stationary and your Spine "On the Ball" and think of moving your arms like a "Windmill". Move your arms separately or together or both. Let your arms guide your shoulders and let your shoulders guide your hips and let your Hips "Bend" your knees. That is a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn. The one that you're doing is disruptively too Flat.

That's kinda hard to follow.