Basic Motion

[bray]

Darryl,

You are correct per page 28 of the 7th edition when the #3 accumulator is zeroed out in basic motion the clubhead travel and rythym will be that of an angled hinge.

However the hinge action can still be
horizontal with the toe of the club pointing along the plane line, angled about 45 degrees across the plane line,
or vertical about 90 degrees across the plane line with the clubface looking at the sky
and alway with a flat left wrist vertical to it's associated plane
as stated in paragraph 2 on page 28.

Hinge action by definition is holding the flat left wrist vertical to one of the three basic planes and it can be varied in basic motion to achieve a desired result.

Sorting Through the Duffer's Bible.

B-Ray

[Daryl]

However the hinge action can still be horizontal with the toe of the club pointing along the plane line, angled about 45 degrees across the plane line, or vertical about 90 degrees across the plane line with the clubface looking at the sky and alway with a flat left wrist vertical to it's associated plane as stated in paragraph 2 on page 28.

Hinge action by definition is holding the flat left wrist vertical to one of the three basic planes and it can be varied in basic motion to achieve a desired result.

a'hem. Hinge Action requires a #3 Accumulator Angle. If you Zero out the #3 Accumulator, then you're merely spinning the Clubface around the Longitudinal Center of Gravity of the Club. You can practice this, and learn something, but technically it's not "Hinge Action". Technically, it's not a Swivel either. It's like turning a key in a lock.

[EdZ]

a'hem. Hinge Action requires a #3 Accumulator Angle. If you Zero out the #3 Accumulator, then you're merely spinning the Clubface around the Longitudinal Center of Gravity of the Club. You can practice this, and learn something, but technically it's not "Hinge Action". Technically, it's not a Swivel either. It's like turning a key in a lock.

Hinge action does not require #3.

If you zero #3, all hinge action effectively becomes angled hinge action in rhythm, but you can certainly do all three hinges with zero #3.

[Daryl]

Hinge action does not require #3.

If you zero #3, all hinge action effectively becomes angled hinge action in rhythm, but you can certainly do all three hinges with zero #3.

Dear Comrade EdZ,

You made duplicate "Hinge Motion" by zeroing #3 but you cannot duplicate "Hinge Action" using this procedure.

7-10 All these types can also be duplicated (exactly) with Wrist only, Arms only or Body only manipulations using Minor Basic Strokes. But all must produce Rhythm per 2-G. Use the “Turn” Feel to determine the “Roll” Feel. Per special purposes a selected Impact Hinge Action might also be applied to the entire Stroke (becoming Stroke Pattern Component #18 also). Or initiated at ANY point prior to Impact. With either procedure, precision is unattainable without – among other requirements – correct Rhythm in both directions. Experimentation with all three Rhythms per 2-G is about the best drill for understanding the results of excessive or inadequate Turn and/or Roll of the Hands during the Stroke in order to avoid doing either unintentionally.

If you Zero out #3 Accumulator by placing the grip of the club in the lifeline of the left hand, then all clubhead travel is the same as "Angled Hinging". Where, by gosh, is the difference in Rhythm?

It may look like a duck, walk like a Duck and quack like a duck. But it might only be "Daffy Duck".

2-G. Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm.

Oh? I forgot. What is the Title to 2-G? Could someone look that up? I don't have my book in front of me at the moment. Oh wait, I remember...."Hinge Motion"

[GPStyles]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

[bray]

Daryl,

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

10-10-0 is titled Hinge Actions (Hinging)
In all the pictures associated with Hinging/Hinge Actions
the Hinge is mounted on the left shoulder, not the left wrist.

These are the three motions we are talking about
Horizontal, Angled, Vertical
regardless of maximum #3 or zero #3.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

[Daryl]

We may be beating Daffy Duck to Deaf or Death, but where in the book does it say Hinge Action requires #3?

There's not much more I can add to be more clear. I bolded parts.

2-G. The Physics of Hinging is, that, Hitting or Swinging, “Roll” is actually imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting Arms per 2-K#4 and 2-K#5 as described in 10-18. Practice these motions first with open Hands cause of the Flat Left Wrist, must always travel at the same RPM as the Arms and reproduce the Hinging inherent in the selected Lag Loading procedure (10-19) per 4-D, 9-2 and 9-3, regardless of Clubhead Extension velocity. See 2-P and 7-18.

...........The KEY to this Rhythm is the #3 Accumulator (6-B-3-0). As part of the above drill, hold the 45 degree Arm position while rotating the Hands and the #3 Accumulator through the three Hinging positions, over and over until you see that each position changes the LOCATION of the Clubhead. The Point to note here is that with each Hinge Action the #3 Accumulator has a different “In Line” motion – Dual Horizontal Hinging having the longest travel and Dual Vertical the shortest. This agrees with the “Roll Characteristics” discussed in 7-10 and must be so executed to produce proper Rhythm. Doing the above drill with Zero Accumulator #3 (6-B-3-B) will show that then, all Lag Loading and Hinge Action have Angled Hinging Travel AND Rhythm. So – intentional use of Zero Accumulator #3 can be useful while unintentional use can be hazardous.

[GPStyles]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

[KevCarter]

This has resolved me to do a lot of basic motion work during the rest of the winter.

1) Is it more important to work on the 2 feet back, 2 feet through or should there also be a target?

2) Is it advisable to use the Taly when practicing the basic motion?

3) As before, is there any club more preferred to work with?

4) Amazingly the limited practice facilities at my club do include any area big enough to work on basic motion. Is it a case of getting a big pile of balls and working away for 30 minutes or so or is a more structured from more appropraite?

Thanks in advance.

In my opinion.

1) Good to have a target. You can do wonders for your short game while working on your impact alignments.

2) I like to start with the Taly to make sure I am using the proper alignments, then recheck as needed.

3) I like to use my sand wedge, but it's your choice. Just make sure it is never so flat a loft that you feel you have to help it in the air to fly onto the target you have chosen.

4) In that case I would do a combination of just working structure on the range, along with going out on the course with 3 or 4 balls as traffic allows.

Kevin

[EdZ]

Dear Comrade EdZ,

You made duplicate "Hinge Motion" by zeroing #3 but you cannot duplicate "Hinge Action" using this procedure.



If you Zero out #3 Accumulator by placing the grip of the club in the lifeline of the left hand, then all clubhead travel is the same as "Angled Hinging". Where, by gosh, is the difference in Rhythm?

It may look like a duck, walk like a Duck and quack like a duck. But it might only be "Daffy Duck".








Oh? I forgot. What is the Title to 2-G? Could someone look that up? I don't have my book in front of me at the moment. Oh wait, I remember...."Hinge Motion"

Why do you assume hinge action OR motion means anything other than compression (chapter 2)?

Clubface control. I don't care if you use your elbow or your toes to hold the club, if you impact the ball, from impact to separation, there is a hinge action - the type of action determines the efficiency of compression.

Closing only - horizontal
Closing and layback - angled
layback only - vertical

It has nothing at all to do with the amount of #3, it is all about how the ball and clubface come into contact, compress or leak, and separate.

While it may be best monitored via the left wrist - it is, and always will be, chapter 2.

The ball only knows what the club tells it.