Hmmm, seems trying to turn my left hip violently is clashing with the more deliberate motions of the rest of the body.
I dont know, its a bit of point of contention maybe. Personally, I feel that if the 6-m-1 Downstroke Sequence is a true "Sequence" then by the time it has worked its way to the Shoulders ............the Hips are slowing down and not in a position where they can pull. They are moving, they may still be leading somewhat, temporarily, but their movement is really Motion as opposed to Work.
But, that's just me. My take on Homer's Pivot Train.
If your Hitting and using a Shoulder Throw, Drag Loading you're Four Barrel Hitting. With all of its complexities. Drag then Thrust. Id work on Three Barrel Hitting till you have that mastered, maybe be able to alternate Swinging and Three Barrel hitting before you try Four Barrel Hitting. You need to be able to go back and forth between Drag and Drive Loading , Left Hand Throw vs Right Arm before you can employ a hybrid mix of the two. You need to be able to distinguish the unique identities and feels prior to mixing them together.
I dont know, its a bit of point of contention maybe. Personally, I feel that if the 6-m-1 Downstroke Sequence is a true "Sequence" then by the time it has worked its way to the Shoulders ............the Hips are slowing down and not in a position where they can pull. They are moving, they may still be leading somewhat, temporarily, but their movement is really Motion as opposed to Work.
But, that's just me. My take on Homer's Pivot Train.
If your Hitting and using a Shoulder Throw, Drag Loading you're Four Barrel Hitting. With all of its complexities. Drag then Thrust. Id work on Three Barrel Hitting till you have that mastered, maybe be able to alternate Swinging and Three Barrel hitting before you try Four Barrel Hitting. You need to be able to go back and forth between Drag and Drive Loading , Left Hand Throw vs Right Arm before you can employ a hybrid mix of the two. You need to be able to distinguish the unique identities and feels prior to mixing them together.
Great advice, man, thanks again. I'll work on that.
Recently, I tried to make a bigger backswing, but I got messed up, as I think my hand wedge angles broke down, and pp#1 wasn't properly aligned for the hit. I guess, based on your post, what I would do is to initially use drag loading (using pp#4,2,&3) up to a point to set pp#1 up so that it is properly aligned for the hit.
The cool think about simple hitting is that it's such an uncomplicated motion; when I lose my way, I just get a sand wedge and using only the right hand drive it down, out, and forward into the ground, and I'd find my swing again. Adding a swinging component at the start-down does make it more complicated ... it feels a little more timing dependent. I'll be careful not to add some bad habits while trying to develop this.
Your logic about the hips sound right, plus the overly active pulling motion of the left hip just didn't feel right.
Anyway, thanks again for all the info; this will help me towards a better swing.
Your sandwedge may be a slightly shorter swing, stopping at Top instead of End, a very good thing for a Drive Loader. Its a straight line from Top to the Aiming Point.
Your sandwedge may be a slightly shorter swing, stopping at Top instead of End, a very good thing for a Drive Loader. Its a straight line from Top to the Aiming Point.
Yup, that's actually what I've been working on a lot lately, going from End to Top without losing my way. I'm gonna get there.
Yup, that's actually what I've been working on a lot lately, going from End to Top without losing my way. I'm gonna get there.
Hey Kamandi
See 6-E-2 THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT. Its the Hands that we direct in a straight line at and through the Aiming Point.
Now I know your going to say, "straight line? What the...." but read point #1. Also, Thrust is always Straight Line by definition.
See also 10-23-A and compare it to 10-23-C where going to End requires a "retracing" of the Arc from Top to End prior to Thrusting. Notice too if you havent already the shadowy arrow that represents the Direction of Thrust towards the Aiming Point which is assumed to be the ball for simplicity. That arrow is easy to miss but its in all those photos. From Top it is Down and Out! Not Forward, not at all. No Sir.
This is the alternate procedure to Tracing the Straight Line Base Line with the #3 Pressure Point. Which has an element of Forward to it. If your missing some Down try the Aiming Point Procedure. One of my favourite sentences in the book is from GEOMETRY OF THE CIRCLE, 2-N-0 CLUBHEAD LINE OF FLIGHT: ".......Both the Lag Pressure Point and the Clubshaft must so relate to the selected Plane Line OR Angle of Approach -to the geometric or the visual-but don't try to Monitor both at the same time because, though equally dependable , they need not be identical in execution AS LONG AS THE CLUBSHAFT HOLDS A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE--POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE....." I like the part about them not needing to be identical in execution.........cause they sure dont seem identical to me.
(Me personally, I have my aiming point 2" ahead of the ball towards the target for a wedge shot and 2" my side of the ball for a driver..........its a way of managing the time required to make a longer shaft switch ends and works like a dream for the driver).
PS Read 8-6 THE TOP. "A static period of alignment and relationship corrections until the deliberate aiming of the #3pp....."
Nice post, O.B. Left; I think I understand what you're getting at.
I guess my understanding of the term forward is wrong; I just assumed it meant the clubhead is always moving forward in the downswing ... up-in-back to down-out-forward up-in-forward -- whether in a hit or a swing type motion. I guess I don't really understand how the term forward is used in TGM.
On the straight line aim point concept, I do use that (ever since seeing Yoda's youtube vid on that), and like you, I aim more forward of the ball with the shorter irons, and I aim slightly behind the ball with the driver; I imagine a straight line from my hand to the golf ball. On hard-hardpan, I'll usually have the aim point at around the center of the ball or just a tad behind it, so that I get it more cleanly, plus it's easier on the hands/wrists.
I have experimented with tracing the shaft where you feel it more in pp#3; I use that more when I want to try to keep the ballflight lower, as I can keep a delofted angle easier through this.
What I'm trying to understand more right now is what you've described, from an initial shoulder throw to a right arm thrust. I find it's easier to feel pp#4 tugging naturally; when I try to add pp#2, it sometimes dominates the movement, and I lose feel/control of the all important pp#1 or even the pa#1 altogether.
In your shoulder throw hit, do you actively use/feel pp#2&3, just before pp#1 dominates, or is the use/feel of pp#2&3 very passive?
See 6-E-2 THE AIMING POINT CONCEPT. Its the Hands that we direct in a straight line at and through the Aiming Point.
Now I know your going to say, "straight line? What the...." but read point #1. Also, Thrust is always Straight Line by definition.
See also 10-23-A and compare it to 10-23-C where going to End requires a "retracing" of the Arc from Top to End prior to Thrusting. Notice too if you havent already the shadowy arrow that represents the Direction of Thrust towards the Aiming Point which is assumed to be the ball for simplicity. That arrow is easy to miss but its in all those photos. From Top it is Down and Out! Not Forward, not at all. No Sir.
This is the alternate procedure to Tracing the Straight Line Base Line with the #3 Pressure Point. Which has an element of Forward to it. If your missing some Down try the Aiming Point Procedure. One of my favourite sentences in the book is from GEOMETRY OF THE CIRCLE, 2-N-0 CLUBHEAD LINE OF FLIGHT: ".......Both the Lag Pressure Point and the Clubshaft must so relate to the selected Plane Line OR Angle of Approach -to the geometric or the visual-but don't try to Monitor both at the same time because, though equally dependable , they need not be identical in execution AS LONG AS THE CLUBSHAFT HOLDS A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIONSHIP TO A STRAIGHT LINE--POINTING AT A STRAIGHT LINE....." I like the part about them not needing to be identical in execution.........cause they sure dont seem identical to me.
(Me personally, I have my aiming point 2" ahead of the ball towards the target for a wedge shot and 2" my side of the ball for a driver..........its a way of managing the time required to make a longer shaft switch ends and works like a dream for the driver).
PS Read 8-6 THE TOP. "A static period of alignment and relationship corrections until the deliberate aiming of the #3pp....."
Thanks!
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I apologize if I am veering a bit of topic about this but does can anyone provide an explanation, and or show some still's as to why Boo Weekley's swing would be considered a hitters motion?
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