In your third drawing......Ball positioned back of low point, grip rotation (and given True Hitting we assume Angled Hinging) resulting in a Draw given enough Divergence.
This is where I go a little foggy ..........the implications of Angled Hinging to the ball response. Gotta think a bit on that one, do some research.....
Re your second drawing and the accompanying quote from 7-2. "Moving the ball back (hook alignment) ...." I believe that should be accompanied by a drawing showing Grip Rotation with the ball fore and aft of low point. Your drawing shows a "Slice Grip" with a probable Push ball response which could be compensated for with an adjustment to the Target Line , Plane Line rotation in other words. Which would give you a straight at the hole shot but higher and softer given the increased loft on the club and slightly steeper Angle of Attack maybe. Not sure , maybe in the future they'll invent a machine that can measure all these dynamics....
Somewhere in the book Homer mentions the influence of an increase in the Angle of Attack on ball flight....it goes higher. Cant find it right now.....again its kinda hidden in there somewhere. But suffice it to say that moving the ball back and rotating the grip has implications.
We're talking Machine Adjustments. The tools of the trade for the shot maker. Like Jacks towering long irons.......or Tigers low spinning wedge 1/2 wedge ....or Trevino or Bobby Lockes putting or or or. This is the dna of their business.
In your third drawing......Ball positioned back of low point, grip rotation (and given True Hitting we assume Angled Hinging) resulting in a Draw given enough Divergence.
This is where I go a little foggy ..........the implications of Angled Hinging to the ball response. Gotta think a bit on that one, do some research.....
"Moving the ball back (hook alignment) ...." I believe that should be accompanied by a drawing showing Grip Rotation with the ball fore and aft of low point. Your second drawing shows a Slice Grip with a probable Push ball response.
I thought "moving the Ball Back" is step 1 and Closing the Clubface by rotating the club in the grip was step 2.
I thought "moving the Ball Back" is step 1 and Closing the Clubface by rotating the club in the grip was step 2.
Ok I see what you mean now. So those three drawings show grip rotation, I guess for a Hitter since you drew the Angle of Approach.
Just saying the series of drawings doesnt line up with the words. But I could be wrong again......happens all the time.
Oh man you're close to crackin 7-2 wide open Dude. But this thread was really about Angled and a Draw or something.......cant remember. So Im gonna shut up before I get called a thread jacker by Mike O or somebody equally ironic. Mike O being the Grand Masta Thread Jacka of all time....although Vegas has seen a lot money coming in on Inner City lately.
Daryl, this should be continued in its own thread maybe? Something like "whats up with 7-2 anyways?" Or "whats the deal with True Swinging? or Grip Rotation, Plane Line Rotation , what the.....?
A very simple answer would be the go here,you guys have got yourselves all tied up in a "Drawing contest" and we have here "SENIOR MEMBERS" having a peeing contest as to knows more than the other and can draw better
Does anybody understand what is being said here "I doubt it".
I would say if someone saw the answers here,would they be able to determine what the opening question was without seeing the opening question first.........I DONT THINK SO....your "in depth" answers answer zilch.........I have written this reply without animosty...thank you
A very simple answer would be the go here,you guys have got yourselves all tied up in a "Drawing contest" and we have here "SENIOR MEMBERS" having a peeing contest as to knows more than the other and can draw better
Does anybody understand what is being said here "I doubt it".
I would say if someone saw the answers here,would they be able to determine what the opening question was without seeing the opening question first.........I DONT THINK SO....your "in depth" answers answer zilch.........I have written this reply without animosty...thank you
O.B and I are having a very calm and very good discussion about putting the concepts of 7-2 into drawings. There isn't any disagreement. We're trying to reach an understanding of the material and the best way to represent it graphically. It isn't about who can draw better. I don't draw very well. But, I do think that the drawings will help anyone to understand 7-2 easier and/or better.
You're welcome to join the discussion and contribute by pointing out our shortcomings or by offering another interpretation or simply by recommending what colors to use for the Drawing.
Hey O.B., Graphically, Hitting looks like a much simpler procedure.
cause it is...........
drive my hands somewhere versus swing them somewhere......I think one is much more precise, and IMO you can be a little less athletic to make it happen.
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Hey O.B., Graphically, Hitting looks like a much simpler procedure.
Yes indeed , Hitting or Manipulated Hands Swinging ...........Homer had a personal preference for Rotating the Grip as opposed to Rotating the Plane Line . But to each their own , there is no better way.
By the way , who in the history of golf is a True Swinger? I honestly dont know. I can imagine a few, Bobby Jones maybe, but under my interpretation of Homer anyways , vis a vis grip rotation ...........maybe not.
And for the record , I have no interest in a peeing contest with Daryl. My only interest is in the uncovering of Homers meaning or the truth about golf. Be they one and same or otherwise. So far , Homer's doing pretty good to my mind. But it doesnt really matter to me if he's wrong about something, or Daryl is for that matter , or me........so what? Its a journey of discovery, something we have embarked on together , a quest we share. Lets make a million mistakes and find the answer in the process. It will require dialogue.
If what we're talking about amounts to "ziltch" then we have failed. But only for now.
Found it finally. The influence of an increase in the Angle of Attack on the ball flight.
From 2-N-0
"When the Ball is positioned at the Low Point, the two Plane Lines combine as one, but as the Ball is moved toward the Right Foot, these lines appear farther apart and the Angle of Approach becomes wider. Then, the steeper the Plane Angle (10-6), the steeper the Angle of Attack (2-N-1), the higher the trajectory and the deeper the Divot (7-6)."
This discussion touches upon a very fascinating topic: What you need to do to work the ball as a hitter is in many ways the opposite of what a swinger need to do. And if yo drag & drive you better know what you're asking for. Cause you will get it
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Found it finally. The influence of an increase in the Angle of Attack on the ball flight.
From 2-N-0
"When the Ball is positioned at the Low Point, the two Plane Lines combine as one, but as the Ball is moved toward the Right Foot, these lines appear farther apart and the Angle of Approach becomes wider. Then, the steeper the Plane Angle (10-6), the steeper the Angle of Attack (2-N-1), the higher the trajectory and the deeper the Divot (7-6)."
I just read this part four times and I don't get it. Why does Homer say that the steeper the Angle of Attack, the higher the trajectory (in this context)? With angled hinging I would assume a "lay forward" (deloft) impact. And with dual horizontal? I dunno. Are we talking about a glancing blow here?
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